The Experiment That Went Too Far

In 1971, a group of college students walked into the basement of Stanford University for what they thought was a simple psychology study. They were randomly assigned roles as guards and prisoners in a simulated jail.

What was supposed to last two weeks ended in just six days.

In this episode of True Crime Teacher Time, we break down what happened inside that basement, from shocking psychological breakdowns to decisions that spiraled out of control. Then, we dig into the ethical controversy that came years later. Join Tori and MyKenna as we discuss The Stanford Prison Experiment.

References: 

“Philip Zimbardo, the psychologist behind the ‘Stanford Prison Experiment,’ dies at 91”. Stanford Report (2024)

“Stanford Prison Experiment: Zimbardo’s 1971 Study & Ethical Issues”. The Psychology Notes HQ (2026)

“The Stanford Prison Experiment”. VeryWell Mind (2025)

“The Stanford Prison Experiment”. Zimbardo (2025)

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Have you ever been given a tiny bit of power and immediately taken it a little too seriously? Because today's episode is about what happens when ordinary people are given a lot more than just a little authority. Inside a basement at Stanford University in 1971, a group of college students volunteered for what they thought was a simple psychology study. They were randomly assigned to be guards or prisoners. It was supposed to last two weeks. It lasted six days because things got out of control fast. For decades, this experiment has been used to explain just how quickly people can change when you put them in the right situation. I'm McKenna. And you're listening to True Crime Teacher Time. Happy Friday, party, people.

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Happy Friday. We're actually back.

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I didn't think we'd make it here.

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This it was ten years long.

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Yes.

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I really didn't think it was. It hit Wednesday. Monday went by fine. Tuesday went by a little rough. And then Wednesday it was like, oh, it's only Wednesday.

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Mm-hmm.

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This whole week has been literally stressful.

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And has just dragged.

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It really did.

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But we're here, we made it.

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Yay!

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Yeah. So our icebreaker is have you ever had a class where the exact same students acted completely different depending on the structure of the room?

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Yes. So actually this year.

SPEAKER_00 1:54

I could see that.

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Yeah. So this year we started out and we had pods, which is like groupings, and then we had to move to being by ourselves, and then we worked back to getting into pods. And some friends have islands, which is where they have to sit by themselves. But an interventionist was brought into my classroom, and we had to get a table for her, which shifted the entire room. And all of my kids are so much closer now, like literally in distance closer. And they have been more unruly than I ever believed.

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Right.

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Like at the beginning of the year, they were just chatty. But now that we have the table for the interventionists in there, they're in each other's faces, in each other's spaces, like won't stop touching, playing in each other's hair, taking everyone's pencils. Like literally reaching across their own desk to the desk in front of them, taking their pencil. Please sit down.

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Yeah.

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Please don't touch anything that doesn't belong to you. Don't get me wrong, I love the interventionist. Love that she's in there working with my kids, but we could have found a smaller table.

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Yeah. Oh no.

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Yep.

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Yeah, that's a fun group.

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Real fun.

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Yeah. So mine was my second year teaching.

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Uh-huh.

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I hadn't really taken off like all year. I ended up taking out off like it's like the last week of April. Not a whole week. It was just a day, but it was that Friday because I was moving.

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Mm-hmm.

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And I was like, I am not going to be able to finish packing.

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If I'm yeah.

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If I work. So I took off that Friday because I was moving Saturday. I got like texts during the day. Like there were, they had to put more than one person in my room to tame my class. When I tell you this class is tied for the best class that I've ever had, tied with the group that I have now.

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Wow.

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That's a fabulous. Multiple. And there was a birthday, and somebody brought in cupcakes, and I guess that was some kind of issue with I don't know. I don't know what happened, but at one point there were three people in my room. Most of the day there were two.

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Oh my gosh.

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Yeah. And I ended up having, I had a child that had gone home crying, and the parent was really concerned because she never did that. So that night I ended up on the phone with that parent trying to figure out what happened. Figure out what happened.

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Oh my gosh.

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And I have no idea what came over that class that day because they were fabulous. I can't. I had some busy kids, but I wouldn't even say I had any behavior issues, any. Yeah.

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So they really let loose. They said fun Friday.

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I guess I was the structure.

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Truly. So you went two different routes. I did the structure of the actual classroom, like the physical layout. And you went the like what are they called? Expectation.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah. But that's interesting because it brings me to our case today. Okay. Which asks the question whether the environment of a prison shapes what happens in the prison or if the personalities do.

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Ooh, you know, this really relates to the segue. That was a great segue. Yes.

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So we're gonna start today's episode talking about psychologist Philip Zimbardo.

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I like that last name.

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Mm-hmm. Pretty Get used to it. Okay. So he was born in New York City and grew up in New York City, the Bronx. He was raised in the Bronx, and he said he was raised in poverty, but that this had a large impact on the outlook he ended up having on life. He went on to study at Brooklyn College and then was accepted to Yale to complete his graduate work, where he also ended up earning a master's degree in experimental psychology, and then went on.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Can I just say that any degree, an experimental anything, makes me nervous? Yeah. Experimental anything.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

Yeah. Okay. Well, he definitely does some experiments. Okay. That's actually what we're talking about today. Um, but he went on to also earn his doctorate in social psychology from Yale. And he completed his doctorate studies in 1959. After becoming a doctor of psychology, he taught at Columbia University and NYU before accepting a position at Stanford University in 1968.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

Okay. Wow.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

Yeah. So colleagues and students had great things to say about him. They said his teaching was inspiring, and many considered him a mentor. As many college professors do, Zimbardo completed a lot of research studies. In 1969, just two years prior to the Stanford Prison Experiment, which we're talking about today, he was nationally recognized for a study he did on the causes of vandalism. Hmm. Okay. Yeah. He's really dedicated his whole life to teaching and studying things and doing experiments and things like that. Okay. This brings us to 1971. He began researching and developing a study that would answer the question: does prison brutality stem from bad people or bad situations? He essentially wanted to know if the cause of like violence in prisons was because of the personalities of the prisoners and the guards. Right. Or from just the environment of being in prison itself. Right. Okay. Which is interesting because people who end up in prison have done crimes. Right. So is just putting all of them together the bad idea, or the way that causes all of that, or is it just the fact that they are contained?

SPEAKER_02 9:13

Right. And so what did the doctor figure out?

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We will eventually get to that. Okay.

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Getting ahead of myself.

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So he developed a study that would examine this and hopefully answer the question. He decided he would find 24 volunteers. Half of them would be randomly assigned as guards, and the other half would be assigned as prisoners. So that was how he thought it was going to go. Yeah. Because when you're doing research, you know, you have your hypothesis. Yeah. So to find people to participate in a study, he advertised the study in the newspaper where Stanford is located. And said he was looking for men to participate. He offered $15 a day to participate, but today that would be roughly $100 a day. Yeah. The only information they got from the paper was that they'd be participating in a psychological study about prison life.

SPEAKER_02 10:32

Okay. Yep. I don't know if I would have done it.

SPEAKER_01 10:36

Well, I was I was just about to ask if you would have responded to the ad.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

I don't think I would have.

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I don't know that I would find myself relevant.

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Yeah.

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Because I've never been even inside of one.

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Right, exactly. Yeah, I don't think so.

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Yeah.

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These were probably some halty people.

SPEAKER_01 10:58

Well. I don't they all end up pretty much being college students. But I don't know if he advertised it in the local paper or for Stanford's paper. Like Stanford student newspaper.

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Oh.

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I'm not sure. I did see a picture of the ad though.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

But that was how pretty much everyone did it anything. Yeah. And they people would put something in the newspaper to tell someone to call them if they couldn't get in touch with them.

SPEAKER_00 11:28

Yeah.

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But around 75 men responded, and Zimbardo selected 24 of them. To select them and for them to be chosen to participate, they had to be physically healthy, psychologic, psychologically stable, so no mental health issues, and have no criminal history. So have never been to prison. This would ensure that there were no variables that could impact the study. Yeah. College students. Yeah. So young too. For the most part, between 18 and 22, 23. Unless, I guess, graduate students and things like that. But once the 24 participants were chosen, half of them were randomly assigned as guards and the other half randomly assigned as prisoners. And he ensured that this was totally random by literally doing a coin flip.

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Oh.

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Yep.

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Whoa.

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He was very particular about this part because he didn't want personalities to have any sort of impact on the study itself.

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Holy cow.

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Yeah. He did kind of pair, and I couldn't find too much about how he did this, but he paired guards to prisoners carefully, ensuring that like personalities were kind of level. Okay. He didn't really want someone who might be overpowering, breaking someone down.

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Yeah.

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That some someone might consider weak, as he said it.

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Gotcha.

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And he said that the environment of the prison would create its own roles and differences and personalities. But in order to simulate a prison, you need more than just guards and prisoners, right?

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Yeah.

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He needed to create the environment. He transformed the basement of Stanford's Psychology Department into a prison. For example, the laboratories became the prison cells, the hallway was the yard. Oh. And a closet became a room for solitary confinement. No. In case they needed it. Oh my gosh. There were hidden cameras and microphones all over for constant surveillance because there were researchers watching and taking notes and things like that. So this isn't just him by himself. By himself coming up with all this. I think it's and I think it's under Stanford. Like it's through Stanford. Like he had graduate students studying under him that were participating in this. It was a whole it was a whole thing.

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Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 14:22

The guards were given uniforms, handcuffs, whistles, and wooden clubs. But I read that this was only to be like an intimidating and a symbol of power.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

But I don't where were the inflatable ones?

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Right. Right. The guards were also given reflector sunglasses so the prisoners couldn't see their eyes. Zimbardo referred to this as a dehumanizing tactic. They were gonna work eight-hour shifts and overseeing different parts of the day. So the surveillance and the guards would work, you know, 24-7 in shifts. So three guards would be on shift at a time.

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Can I just say I I feel like the glasses being used for dehumanizing does kind of skew yes. I because most guards in prison don't wear side glasses. So I I feel like that kind of skews it. Yeah, but kind of already setting it up for okay. Sorry, I just wanted to say.

SPEAKER_01 15:44

I agree with that. When they weren't on shift, the guards were allowed to go home until their next shift. So it was really like they were coming in, working, going home.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Okay. And the prisoners were really just staying down below.

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Yeah.

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Okay. No sunlight.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

Like they were in. I guess not, I guess because it was the basement. The basement, and I maybe maybe they couldn't really simulate a yard for them to go out. Okay. I'm stressed. They were told to demand compliance from the prisoners. Which I guess as prison guards do. I don't other things. Yeah. Like to make I guess enforce the rules.

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Yeah.

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But other than that, they he really didn't give them instructions, just said enforce the rules.

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Okay.

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He wanted their roles to shape the type of guards they became over the course of the study. Zimbardo was acting as the head superintendent of the prison. He was also, yes. But he was also the head researcher, researcher for the case. And this was gonna be two weeks, 14 days.

SPEAKER_02 16:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

So now we're getting to the arrests.

SPEAKER_02 17:03

Oh. Did they have to simulate actual arrest?

SPEAKER_01 17:07

We're getting into it. So those who had been selected as the prisoners were arrested from their homes, wherever they were. I think pretty much all of them are home. I think they did it kind of early. They did not have any warning.

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Oh my gosh. Did they know they were chosen? I don't think so.

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Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 17:35

I don't think so. The guards just went and arrested them. I would be in shambles.

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Mm-hmm.

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They had no clue what was happening. But this was on purpose. Zimbardo didn't want them to be able to psychologically prepare themselves for this. And I understand that he wanted to get true results from this, but I can't imagine being in that position.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

But I also feel like it's already skewed. Like the glasses, did he give them a set of rules? Like when prison guards are chosen, they have to they know the rules of that prison. Like I wonder if he gave them. I don't think so.

SPEAKER_01 18:20

Um because I think he really wanted to see because you know there are so many corrupt guards. Yes. I've watched Orange Any Black. Yes. Um I think he wanted to see what came of everything. Okay. Okay, Dr. C. They were processed as typical prisoners were. They were fingerprinted and strip searched. They received prison uniforms with their prisoner numbers on them. And they weren't to be referred to by their names at all during the study. They were only to be referred to by their prisoner numbers.

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Stop. Stop it.

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Okay. So now they are arrested. The guards are there, and it is day one. The first day, it was really just the guards and the prisoners reacting to these new roles and trying to figure out how they fit into them.

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Right.

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The guards really didn't know how to act. They've never had this kind of authority before.

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Right.

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And they really didn't know how to be authoritative. Well, they were college students. Right, exactly. Yes.

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They've never had to be authoritative in their lives. Yep.

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And now they're a prison guard. But the prisoners didn't know how to act either. And they had also just been humiliated, really, by those arrests and the strip searches, and were honestly probably still reeling from it.

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I would be inconsolable.

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Mm-hmm. But the guards did warm up and their behavior began to escalate. Some of them realized they did enjoy having this kind of power. I don't know. On day two, the prisoners began to rebel and show some resistance to their new authority figures. And this then resulted in the guards being even more authoritative and punishing prisoners for their rebellion.

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I would sit in my cell the entire day.

SPEAKER_01 20:50

So not on their shift, to help enforce punishments. They took clothes from prisoners, so they were some of them were naked. What? And removed beds from their cells. And this is day two.

SPEAKER_02 21:00

The beds, I understand, just because like they do. They don't do that in prison.

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What?

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Take beds.

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I don't know.

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I don't think they do.

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I've never been.

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I don't think they take beds. Like maybe then in prison, like actual prison, they did take beds. I feel like but the clothes is too much for me. That's what I can't get.

SPEAKER_01 21:22

I feel like I don't know. I have a feeling the beds are probably nailed to the wall.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Right. So I don't think they could. So you're just sleeping on metal or wood or whatever was nailed into the wall.

SPEAKER_01 21:37

Well, at this point. They probably didn't actually. I feel like maybe they didn't nail beds to walls in the psychology department in the laboratory.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

I really hope not. So it's probably just an iron bed. Like an iron bed frame.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

They even went on to create what they called a privilege cell, which was a cell for prisoners. Who weren't participating in the rebellion, they got special privileges. Like beds, and they were served better food. Clothes.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it's day two only. This happened on day two. Over days three through five, three, four, and five, the treatment only continued to get worse.

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Oh my gosh.

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They began using physical labor and activities as punishments. Like push-ups. But then sometimes the guards would stand on their backs while they made them do the push-ups. What? I can't even do what a push-up. I can't even do one. Without anybody on my back.

SPEAKER_00 22:42

My own body weight. I can't do a push-up.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

They would make them wash the toilets with their bare hands and begin using sleep deprivation as a manipulation tactic. Or and a punishment. Which can literally cause you to go insane. Hallucinate.

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I'm really on the edge of my seat and terrified right now.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

Yeah.

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I'm scared.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

Yeah. Okay. Food and bathroom privileges began to be denied to prisoners who were acting out. And sexual humiliation became a tactic at one point, even. Yeah. Nope. And remember, all of this is unprompted. They assume these roles and punishments naturally.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

I hate to say this, but like I don't think people are inherently like bad. But the power going to your head that way. Like I I just I don't know. I am really it's just I'm uncomfy.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

Yeah. I it's crazy though.

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But in some.

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Just the fact that he just picked. Yeah.

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Like it's random, and this is exactly. That's the thing. Is like I'm sure that some of those guys probably would have just already knew going in that if they were gonna be a guard, they were gonna be aggressive and like want to make people obey. But like some of those guys probably just were good guys. And like now being drawn into this, like it just wow. Wow. Okay. Questioning humanity right now.

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Yep. Throughout these three days, three, four, and five, the prisoners began to experience serious psychological effects. One prisoner had a nervous breakdown on day three. He was released early. Good. But four more followed him in the two days after, who also had nervous breakdowns and were released early. So day five into day six, they were down to seven prisoners.

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Okay.

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And now even numbers are outbalanced or imbalanced.

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Yeah, because none of the prison guards are leaving. Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

There's 12 of which I guess only some of them are on shift at a time, although on day two they called ones that weren't on shift to come in and help.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

But now we're on day six. And the experiment ended early on day six. Christina Maslock, a recent PhD graduate of Stanford, and also Zimbardo's girlfriend at the time, came to see the experiment because, you know, she was interested being a psychology um major. And she wanted to check the study out and see how things were going. She was horrified and told Zimbardo what he was doing to the boys was terrible. But this made him realize that he had kind of lost the purpose, the ability to be subjective. Oh. So he didn't realize how bad it was. No. And I also think it has to do with the fact that he was playing the warden while also being the head researcher.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Yeah. I was a little worried about that.

SPEAKER_01 26:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

Like you're literally yourself in his shoes.

SPEAKER_01 26:28

I think playing both of those was why. Part of it, not the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 26:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:35

But um he did, so he realized this and he did end it early on that day.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Well, good.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Wow. Okay. Now, even though it ended early, he did have some key findings.

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Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 26:51

He found that power can corrupt people quickly enough to alter their personalities based on based on this experiment.

SPEAKER_02 27:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Another finding concluded that the cause of many of the psychological breakdowns was partly caused by the lack of identity. They all lost their identity in the study. They were just referred to as their numbers. I don't think guards use names either, which caused them to be able to, they had that anonymity.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

Anonymity. Anonymity. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:27

That made them more comfortable because they're being harsher. And yes. But also the psychological stress that the prisoners were under and were only referred to by their numbers. He also said that the prisoners learned helplessness. Almost all of the prisoners gave up their resistance after day two. They knew it wasn't going to get them anywhere at this point.

SPEAKER_02 27:54

And so they just continued it? There was just no resistance and they. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 28:06

But he did believe that the study proved his hypothesis was correct. He believed that the violence and treatment in the prisons was due to the environment altering personalities. Because remember, these are 24 generic people. They're not criminals who have done anything to be in prison.

SPEAKER_00 28:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:29

And their still personalities were kind of molded to fit that scenario. But as I'm sure you can tell, the study did raise questions about ethics.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

It's known for being an unethical research study. Yes.

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Obvious reasons.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

But not. It took time. It wasn't immediately recognized, oh, this was unethical. It was looking back at this. Yeah. From what I understand.

SPEAKER_02 29:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:14

So I'm gonna talk about some of the things that made the well made it unethical.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Okay. I felt like all of that was already unethical. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 29:25

There was a lack of informed consent. Prisoners didn't know what they were consenting to when they volunteered for the study.

SPEAKER_02 29:34

Precisely.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

It caused psychological harm.

SPEAKER_02 29:38

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:38

Five of the prisoners ended up having um emotional breakdowns, and all of them were under obvious emotional distress. And which could have had lasting effects. The prisoners didn't have the option to withdraw from the study.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

No, you can't do that.

SPEAKER_01 30:01

They were treated like role prison prisoners rather than participants. The five who had breakdowns were only released because of the mental breakdowns, not because they decided to withdraw. I don't know. I don't think they knew that they were chosen when they were arrested. I don't think I can find anything about it. Which is odd to me because I feel like for something like this you have to sign waivers and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 30:43

And it doesn't seem that.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

It doesn't sound like that happened.

SPEAKER_02 30:46

Correct. And I think that's why I asked in the beginning. Like, so they had no idea.

SPEAKER_01 30:51

Yes, well, I knew, but we I knew we were we were kind of getting to that, so that's why.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

Now Philip Zimbardo ended up later marrying Christina Maslock. He retired in 2003 and he passed away at the age of 91 on October 14th, 2024.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

Wow.

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Just two years ago.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

That's my brother's birthday.

SPEAKER_01 31:21

Oh really?

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My older brother.

SPEAKER_01 31:23

Yeah. But yeah. That's a crazy one.

SPEAKER_02 31:30

That one makes me question. Again, it questions humanity. And I wonder, like, how he was saying, is it the environment? I wonder if it's just the word. Like you have this mindset of what prison is, and so you mold into what prison would be.

SPEAKER_00 31:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:51

Yeah. It could all yeah, it definitely could have been. Like you hear the word prison of artists. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 31:57

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:01

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 32:03

Definitely could be. Hmm. Wow. But now is the Stanford.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

Did did you see anywhere if they the ones that had the nervous breaks down, did they have anything long-lasting or did they end up being okay?

SPEAKER_01 32:20

I did not find any of their accounts. I did find two other ones. They didn't seem wholly affected by it. Okay. Just the ones that I did find. But if they were not treated as well, and if they weren't wholly affected, they might have been more comfortable to but I kind of want to do more research and see if I can find more. And were those were the prisoners' accounts? One was a prisoner and one was a guard.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

So, but I do kind of want to see if I can find more. I think there was a researcher too that I found. One of the researchers that was watching.

SPEAKER_00 33:00

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

But now you should be able to describe how roles, uniforms, and the environment can shape behavior. Evaluate whether the experiment showed real human behavior or influenced it.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

And identify major ethical concerns in this study.

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In life.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Yes.

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Or really feel like in life.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Yes. But really well, I guess any study. Yeah. Because most of the ethical was related to the fact that it was a study.

SPEAKER_02 33:33

Yeah. But also just having consent.

SPEAKER_01 33:36

Yes. Yeah, for sure. But my exit ticket is what do you think was the greatest ethical concern in the Stanford Prison Experiment?

SPEAKER_02 33:49

Well, I guess mine is the whole fact that they didn't have any idea.

SPEAKER_01 33:52

Yeah, the lack of consent is mine as well. But I said it from the beginning of the secondly, would be the right to withdraw. But I also don't. It wasn't really elaborated on if they didn't actually have, like if they said I want to leave.

SPEAKER_02 34:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

If they would have not been able to go. Yeah. If that makes sense. Right. And they were under such stress that they didn't, which is an issue within itself. But I don't know if they were actually told that they can't leave.

SPEAKER_02 34:27

Gotcha. Okay. This was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 34:31

I was super stressed.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

I've actually been looking at this case for about a month now, trying to figure out how to go about it.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

You've been telling me about it, and I've been like, I need to know what she's talking about.

SPEAKER_00 34:44

Yeah, it was this one.

SPEAKER_02 34:45

No, I did watch the movie. The movie is definitely more fictionalized. Like I know we were talking about it at the beginning where you weren't gonna watch it to um I didn't want it to taint how I told the story. Right. And it definitely would happen.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Yeah, I figured it might.

SPEAKER_02 35:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

So I'm gonna watch it now, but I didn't want to watch it before I can't.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

I can't wait to hear what you have to say about it. It is insane. Insane. Okay. Probably one of the craziest movies I've watched.

SPEAKER_01 35:15

Maybe I'll go home and watch it tonight.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Good luck.

SPEAKER_01 35:19

Okay. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 35:22

You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 35:23

Thanks for listening to True Crime Teacher Time.

SPEAKER_02 35:26

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